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Further to a question you answered titled Papal error, I was wondering if you could provide some guidance on Vatican II, and what it meant for the Catholic Church? Many “traditional Catholics” (often identifying as “Sedevacantist”) seem to believe that the council was entirely invalid. However, as you know, there are very many Catholics that attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form, and maintain communion with Rome. It seems that even amongst those that attend the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, AND are in good standing with the Church, the Novus Ordo is still not considered preferable.

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• Evil in the Church
• The Mass
• A Real Traditional Catholic

Much evil came into the Church because of Vatican II, largely because the authorites wanted to keep the people—and their money—in the Church by “liberating” the liturgy to accommodate it to a “liberated” secular world. Nevertheless, there has been evil in the Vatican right from its beginning. Hence the problem of evil in the Church does not relate to Vatican II itself; it derives from an age-old problem of “faith” lived not from the heart but only intellectually as a duty or, even worse, as a pernicious hypocrisy motivated by a grasping for social identity, status, power, or wealth. When faith doesn’t fill our hearts, demons have a gaping permission to make our minds their playground.


A traditional Catholic, in the most general sense, is simply someone who cherishes the tradition of the Catholic Church—and part of that tradition is the beautiful and reverent liturgy of the Latin Mass. Some traditional Catholics, however, believe that the traditional Latin Mass is the only valid liturgy of the Catholic Church, and so they reject the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass. It would be far better to say, “I prefer the Latin Mass and I don’t want to offer the Novus Ordo Mass, but if you want to offer the Novus Ordo Mass, then do what you want.” 


Sadly, it would have been far better for the Church if Vatican II had said, “We prefer that the Novus Ordo Mass be the Mass of choice, but if you prefer the Latin Mass, then do what you want.” But that wasn’t done, and much evil has come into the Church because of it—and it’s time now for reconsideration. How can a pope who kissed the Koran (Qur’an),[1] who failed to quell the insidious spread of homosexuality in the priesthood, and who, at least passively, invited the smoke of Satan into the Vatican, “excommunicate” anyone other than himself? In essence, how could the deep Church “excommunicate” anyone, such as the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), who have tried to protect Catholic tradition, especially that of the Latin Mass?


A sedevacantist is someone who believes that the sede (Latin for seat) of the pope is now vacant. That is, sedevacantists claim that because of Church errors in the past there is now no legitimate pope in the Church. Consequently, you cannot reason with Sedevacantists because their “faith” is based not on something right and true but on what they believe to be wrong with the Church, and so, ironically, they are stuck helplessly in their minds with the same false reasoning that they seemingly oppose. That is, in being so obsessed with the idea that others are wrong they cannot see how wrong their own ideas are. For the sake of sanity, we just need to say that the Pope is the pope and that if he falls into heresy we don’t have to follow him there.

The Mass

It would be ludicrous to believe that Christ would deny His graces to anyone who chooses not to succumb to the false belief that our salvation depends on our correctly deciphering a puzzle about which Mass is the correct Mass. Such a false belief would send a person right into the murky depths of Gnosticism.

Thus the choice between the Novus Ordo Mass and the traditional Latin Mass is merely a matter of preference. Still, because of its structure, the Novus Ordo Mass has a vulnerability to abuse, and anyone heartbroken by the abuses afflicting the Novus Ordo Mass would do well to attend the traditional Latin Mass (or an Eastern Catholic Rite liturgy). To be spiritually pure, however, this choice should be made simply because of a desire for reverence, not because of disputes about the legitimacy of one Mass or the other.


Notice that I prefer to speak of the “traditional Latin Mass” rather than “Mass in the Extraordinary Form.” Why? Well consider what “extraordinary” has come to mean because of modern abuses. Vatican II permitted Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion to be used in extraordinary circumstances, but today, rather than be used only rarely (as their name implies), such persons are used on such a regular basis as to be normal, not extraordinary. Hence, in the Church today something “extraordinary” now means something “normal.” Accordingly, it is fitting that the Novus Ordo Mass, which is today the normal way of offering Mass, be called the Extraordinary Form of the Mass and that the Latin Mass, which has been traditional for centuries, be called what it is: the traditional Latin Mass.


A Real Traditional Catholic

Still, keep in mind that even though the traditional Latin Mass has its foundation in elegant reverence, you will find that many of the persons at a Latin Mass are there only as intellectual, and even arrogant, Catholics. This extreme is just as spiritually disordered as the lukewarm liberals on the other extreme of the spectrum.

A true Christian life, therefore, is a life not focused on what others do wrong; a true Christian life is a life focused on what is right; that is, despite the heresy, hypocrisy, and spiritual blindness surrounding us, true Catholics are humble souls seeking chastity, modesty, humility, constant prayer and gratitude, freedom from lust and hate, freedom from competition, and freedom from the world and its enticements and sins.

Sadly it’s a life that few Christians today have any interest in seeking.

So, if from the depth of your heart, you do seek humility, chastity, modesty, constant prayer and gratitude, freedom from lust and hate, freedom from competition, and freedom from the world and its enticements and sins, then, regardless of what others around you do, you will be a REAL Traditional Catholic.


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1. See for yourself.

JPII kissing the Koran
And why is it such an egregious sin to kiss the Qur’an? Well, in the Qur’an Muhammad commanded his followers to “kill infidels” (Surah 9:5), and, in the opinion of Muhammad, Christians are infidels. Thus Muslems will commonly claim, as a sly subversion of the truth, “The Qur’an doesn’t say to kill Christians.” And that’s a truth that’s a lie.



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